A response to the The Advantages of the 1.8 Update (or "1.8 - Day 24 Update")"

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Ninja_Loop

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All networks HAVE to upgrade their software at some point. 1.9 snapshots are underway, and some networks are still running on 1.7. I think it is great that MC Gamer has upgraded to 1.8! All of the 'PVP is bad in 1.8' is a lie, it has not changed. There may be a few issues (like the slimeblocks) which is expected. In fact, I have had a better time playing since the 1.8 update than with the 1.7 / 1.8 protocol hack or on 1.7 in general.
You just can't say PvP hasn't changed and that 1.8 pvp is bad is a lie. I do understand the fact that you are having a better experience, it'a your opinion. Plus that you don't get killed as often because a lot of great players have quit MCSG (or don't play as much)
 

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You just can't say PvP hasn't changed and that 1.8 pvp is bad is a lie. I do understand the fact that you are having a better experience, it'a your opinion. Plus that you don't get killed as often because a lot of great players have quit MCSG (or don't play as much)
"1.8 pvp is bad is a lie" is an opinion too, so...

In all honesty, I actually see more good players these days. It's a challenge!
 

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"1.8 pvp is bad is a lie" is an opinion too, so...

In all honesty, I actually see more good players these days. It's a challenge!
My opinion is that some people can grow natural wings and fly faster than planes. It's my opinion, and you can't argue with that, can you?
There is a major difference between facts and opinions.
 

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All networks HAVE to upgrade their software at some point. 1.9 snapshots are underway, and some networks are still running on 1.7. I think it is great that MC Gamer has upgraded to 1.8! All of the 'PVP is bad in 1.8' is a lie, it has not changed. There may be a few issues (like the slimeblocks) which is expected. In fact, I have had a better time playing since the 1.8 update than with the 1.7 / 1.8 protocol hack or on 1.7 in general.
Not some almost everynetwork around the pvp style of mc i still 1.7.
 

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My opinion is that some people can grow natural wings and fly faster than planes. It's my opinion, and you can't argue with that, can you?
There is a major difference between facts and opinions.
"You just can't say PvP hasn't changed and that 1.8 pvp is bad is a lie."
I don't understand what you mean. I could argue with anyone about anything.
You have said that people can't argue with you, and I don't really see how that is true.
If "some people can fly" is an opinion, then "1.8 PvP is bad" is a fact? I don't understand.
 

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"You just can't say PvP hasn't changed and that 1.8 pvp is bad is a lie."
I don't understand what you mean. I could argue with anyone about anything.
You have said that people can't argue with you, and I don't really see how that is true.
If "some people can fly" is an opinion, then "1.8 PvP is bad" is a fact? I don't understand.
It's a way of saying the differences between facts and opinions. And I was being sarcastic saying that people can't argue with me over on that opinion (that humans can fly).
 

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Let me just ask you one question. What about when 1.9 comes out? That's very soon. What about all those networks running 1.7? You can't run three versions at once without destroying your server and it's capabilities.

Then when everybody is sitting there panicking because their server will be down for a while while their devs are trying to dig themselves out of this whole, we'll be sitting on the top sipping on unimaginably expensive drinks that make us look all fancy ;)

No update is easy, especially one like this. As Minecraft changes, we must too. Take it from someone who's been a part of the staff perspective for 8 months now, and two years of community perspective prior to that. This will turn out for the better.
 

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We don't have many people who still worry about our servers still being on 1.8. It seems most people have gotten used to it and accepted it. Which always happens. It seems every time there's a large change, people don't like it, because people don't like change. Then they learn to accept it, and another change comes along, and the same thing happens again.

I'm sorry to say, but I can see a lot of servers switching to 1.8 soon. We can't be on 1.7 forever, imagine Minecraft 2.0, and other servers are still on 1.7, it would be frustrating to switch clients, and be used to the new features on one server, and the old features on the other. It wouldn't be practical.

Honestly, it's good MCGamer switched to 1.8; not only did it introduce us to many new features, but it also got us MCGamer's used to the features, so when other servers do the switch, we'll be ready. :)
 

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What about when 1.9 comes out?
I honestly hate that question. There hasn't even been released a 1.9 snapshot, and yet you use the term "very soon".

Then when everybody is sitting there panicking because their server will be down for a while while their devs are trying to dig themselves out of this whole, we'll be sitting on the top sipping on unimaginably expensive drinks that make us look all fancy ;)
Just because you are the only (or one of the only) pvp networks that have fully updated to 1.8, it doesn't necesarely mean that you are the ones who are doing it right. Other networks do have their reasons for not fully upgrading to 1.8, and the main reason is that their community doesn't want the update. There was a poll done where the staff was asking us, the community, if we want a leaderboard update, and the majority was the one heard. In a previous thread, a staff member said that the majority of players were already using 1.8, so 1.7 was conisdered unnecesarry. If that was a true fact, all the moderators responding to threads like this would be using that argument. Either if it is a little server or a large network, they both deppend on 1 common thing: their communities. There is no block in the world that is more important than a community.

Honestly, it's good MCGamer switched to 1.8; not only did it introduce us to many new features, but it also got us MCGamer's used to the features, so when other servers do the switch, we'll be ready. :)
As I responed to Ceroria, there is absolutely nothing more important than the community. You say "We don't have many people who still worry about our servers still being on 1.8", but I say that they quit trying (or most of them). At first, people thought that you can make the servers run how the community wants. They realised that this is a wrong fact.

Also, an answer that I see al the time is that the developers can now do a lot more stuff. I am no code expert, but I do know that Java is not influenced by Minecraft at all. A staff member even said that pets cannot be possible without the 1.8 update, eventhough I have seen them on other networks (such as Mineplex) long before 1.8 was even released. This is a list of features that Gamepedia itself wrote: http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/1.8
Looking through it, the only things I see that can be used for MCSG from that long list is: Spectator game mode, Possibly NBT tags, although I doubt there wasn't a plugin made for that already, blocks, which aren't really even noticed, food, that hasn't been added to the chests yet (looking back, not even new types fish were added to the chests, and those appeared in 1.7, so I highly doubt that new food will appear) and titles. There is absolutely nothing said in there that would suggest, and I quote, there beeing "a number of back-end improvements and fixes that 1.8 introduces as well. However, only our Developers understand the improvements, so I will just say that they exist.". Absolutely nothing said about any of this.

There are some missleading arguments that yoour staff team is bringing. KitMencha said: "1.8 allows us to have the great disguise", "These new pets in the hub, impossible without the update". 1.8 makes absolutely no difference - I have seen pets on older versions and the disguise feature has nothing to do with the update.

The only difference 1.8 is bringing to the developers is that they have to write the code somewhat different. It doesn't add anything new to it, though.
 

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Why don't people realize that the staff is helping in the long run? There's a reason that they make the decisions rather than the whole community. And personally, I think there is more corruption in the community than in the staff.
 

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I know that it's been difficult to see because a lot of the advantages of 1.8 have been for the backend of things, but don't worry. We've got planned content to take advantage of the 1.8 features and i hope you guys like what we have in store.
 

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Why don't people realize that the staff is helping in the long run? There's a reason that they make the decisions rather than the whole community. And personally, I think there is more corruption in the community than in the staff.
As the staff team says, there are only 100 moderators (or something close to that), so let's say that there are 130 staff members in total (developers+owner+admins+Sr. mods), and on average, there are over 4000 players online. Without them, no matter how much " corruption " there is, the staff would mean nothing.
I know that it's been difficult to see because a lot of the advantages of 1.8 have been for the backend of things, but don't worry. We've got planned content to take advantage of the 1.8 features and i hope you guys like what we have in store.
I don't need features, I only need one: the PvP to change to the way it used to be, and I won't care about 1.8 really. I hope that the "6-hits" bug, that you most likely remember, was you trying to change the PvP to the way it was, I would at least want to hear that you are working on that.
 

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