Tobbvald
Survivor
- Joined
- Jul 25, 2012
- Messages
- 115
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- 66
PLEASE NOTE. THIS IS NOT A BAN-DISPUTE, NOR A FLAME-WAR!
IF YOU ARE TO RESPOND, DO IT WITH CARE.
AND FOR MODERATORS: READ, AND ANSWER ME, AND LET ME ANSWER BEFORE LOCKING, AS LOCKING ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE HIDING THE TRUTH!
Hello there. I am Tobbvald, brother of Teovald. This month is a sad month for this community, as we have been waving good-bye to an ever increasing number of good PvP-ers. What this comes down to is this: Mcsg's moderators in their current shape wouldn't recognize a genuinely good player if it hit them in the face. Those not thwarted by incompetent moderators are bullied by NCP instead. There can be only one outcome, though there are two paths. Either the community gets so fed up with ncp that the majority will have quit, or there are simply not enough devotion put into the project by those sole noobs being left untouched by the moderators banning-spree. It stopped being justified for about half a year ago. But since the vast increase in number, a change in magnitude were soon to follow. I'd say that by the end of the month there will hardly be enough player-material to sustain the bigger clans with people unless active resistance is shown by the leading unit of these servers.
Note that this only applies for higher players before reading:
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An example is Player X. He is just an ordinary player, doesn't even necessarily even have to be able to install hacks. One day he meets a team of moderators playing. He somehow manages to kill them, be it luck or sheer force. The result is what is interesting: The moderators gangs up and bans him. of course they need evidence first? So they start filming the player X, no need to worry about the fact that he is well known by the community, and has reputation for being a good player that no one suspects other than the lowliest jealous ones. So what? the moderators-
(or it could just be players) -Starts recording everything Player X does. Sooner or later they find a video suspicious enough to pass as "evidence". Then they proceed to showing it to an admin, and the ban is complete. When Player X then comes to start a ban-dispute he is met by a locked thread by the same moderators that banned him. He goes to an Admin, but the admin only asks for the moderator's opinion, which hasn't changed a bit, and the result is that the player X walks out with a warning. Any further activity only backfires for Player X. There is nothing he can do.
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I can not see a clear path in what needs to be suggested, but this can not go on tolerated. I may have done this thread in reaction to an issue being brought inside my field of care, but the problem remains nonetheless. Something must be done, be it an equal banning-system for newer moderators, and a watch-group guarding the moderators from faulting, but after seeing so many of my friends and equals being banned from these servers due to some emotional swing or a mere mistake or outright disiking is plain unjust.
The way moderators are constantly harassing the top-players with watching eyes and
crack-shot-bans makes the servers appear in bad shape and the anti-hacker team's actions questioned by outsiders.
EDIT:
The problems can always be blamed on hackers, right? So what happens when there are no hackers handy to blame? With a community that feeds on bans, players wanting to be moderators, moderators that wants to ensure their position, admins that wants to ensure their position, only regular players who stand out are left to ban.
My only real solution is this: An Anti-moderator-group, based on this behaviour, for no matter how secure the entries to moderator-hood is, corruption will always find its way. An Anti-moderator group would focus solely on the protection of the player, and a reckless moderator would get warned, and if continued banned, for banning unjustly. This way the system eats itself instead of the player, and some form of justice is maintained, as both moderator and Anti-moderator would make sure that the other won't make any mistakes. this system, though it appears cruel, is far less cruel than leaving out one half to let the other feed on the innocent instead.
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And please moderators, do not lock this thread anymore, for I can see nothing wrong with it. It is a statement of fact, though you may not like it, you are the ones I address. Instead of shadowing it like you are actually hiding the truth, go out and answer me this: Why do you ban unfairly? And even better: Why do you let others ban unfairly? Answer me and let me answer before locking my thread next time, thank you.
/Tobbvald
IF YOU ARE TO RESPOND, DO IT WITH CARE.
AND FOR MODERATORS: READ, AND ANSWER ME, AND LET ME ANSWER BEFORE LOCKING, AS LOCKING ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE HIDING THE TRUTH!
Hello there. I am Tobbvald, brother of Teovald. This month is a sad month for this community, as we have been waving good-bye to an ever increasing number of good PvP-ers. What this comes down to is this: Mcsg's moderators in their current shape wouldn't recognize a genuinely good player if it hit them in the face. Those not thwarted by incompetent moderators are bullied by NCP instead. There can be only one outcome, though there are two paths. Either the community gets so fed up with ncp that the majority will have quit, or there are simply not enough devotion put into the project by those sole noobs being left untouched by the moderators banning-spree. It stopped being justified for about half a year ago. But since the vast increase in number, a change in magnitude were soon to follow. I'd say that by the end of the month there will hardly be enough player-material to sustain the bigger clans with people unless active resistance is shown by the leading unit of these servers.
Note that this only applies for higher players before reading:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
An example is Player X. He is just an ordinary player, doesn't even necessarily even have to be able to install hacks. One day he meets a team of moderators playing. He somehow manages to kill them, be it luck or sheer force. The result is what is interesting: The moderators gangs up and bans him. of course they need evidence first? So they start filming the player X, no need to worry about the fact that he is well known by the community, and has reputation for being a good player that no one suspects other than the lowliest jealous ones. So what? the moderators-
(or it could just be players) -Starts recording everything Player X does. Sooner or later they find a video suspicious enough to pass as "evidence". Then they proceed to showing it to an admin, and the ban is complete. When Player X then comes to start a ban-dispute he is met by a locked thread by the same moderators that banned him. He goes to an Admin, but the admin only asks for the moderator's opinion, which hasn't changed a bit, and the result is that the player X walks out with a warning. Any further activity only backfires for Player X. There is nothing he can do.
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I can not see a clear path in what needs to be suggested, but this can not go on tolerated. I may have done this thread in reaction to an issue being brought inside my field of care, but the problem remains nonetheless. Something must be done, be it an equal banning-system for newer moderators, and a watch-group guarding the moderators from faulting, but after seeing so many of my friends and equals being banned from these servers due to some emotional swing or a mere mistake or outright disiking is plain unjust.
The way moderators are constantly harassing the top-players with watching eyes and
crack-shot-bans makes the servers appear in bad shape and the anti-hacker team's actions questioned by outsiders.
EDIT:
The problems can always be blamed on hackers, right? So what happens when there are no hackers handy to blame? With a community that feeds on bans, players wanting to be moderators, moderators that wants to ensure their position, admins that wants to ensure their position, only regular players who stand out are left to ban.
My only real solution is this: An Anti-moderator-group, based on this behaviour, for no matter how secure the entries to moderator-hood is, corruption will always find its way. An Anti-moderator group would focus solely on the protection of the player, and a reckless moderator would get warned, and if continued banned, for banning unjustly. This way the system eats itself instead of the player, and some form of justice is maintained, as both moderator and Anti-moderator would make sure that the other won't make any mistakes. this system, though it appears cruel, is far less cruel than leaving out one half to let the other feed on the innocent instead.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And please moderators, do not lock this thread anymore, for I can see nothing wrong with it. It is a statement of fact, though you may not like it, you are the ones I address. Instead of shadowing it like you are actually hiding the truth, go out and answer me this: Why do you ban unfairly? And even better: Why do you let others ban unfairly? Answer me and let me answer before locking my thread next time, thank you.
/Tobbvald
