Hackers? Anti-cheat? Plug-ins? Make the hacking rules more strict?

[Tacoface1234]

It's not that they didn't understand it wasn't against the rules, but that they shouldn't be forever punished for that lapse in judgement.

 

[reven86]

They can of course appeal their ban, and review the video evidence more in-depth to a Sr. Mod. The evidence is either very clear, or unclear. There won't be any "clear enough". I personally think a 14-day first offense, 2nd attempt perma-ban makes a strong statement towards hackers.

It's not that they didn't understand it wasn't against the rules, but that they shouldn't be forever punished for that lapse in judgement.

I agree that perma ban first offense isn't right . Heck i'd give it a month first offense. The problem with it only being 7 days the first offense.. is these hackers can simply just get on their alts and play for the 7 days secretly. With a month, either they are going to have to have ALOT of alts.. or they are simply going to have to stop hacking. If anything, maybe start IP banning all ppl who are perma banned. I know that people can change their IP's, but a lot of the little kids who are hacking, wouldn't know how to do it. Ip banning all perma bans I think would prevent alot of repeat hackers.

 

[Mooclan]

Well, you also have to keep in mind the people that are banned for "hacks" but don't really hack
Yes, we know the MCSG staff tries their best to separate real hackers from innocent players - But there are and always will be mistakes.
Lag, biases, and a huge number of other things can result in unfair bans - Likewise, biases and lag can also result in a hacker not being banned.

Also, what kind of hacks? Sprint hacks aren't as severe as forcefield, which isn't as severe as.. well, Ok maybe it's around equal to something like fly/waterwalking hacks.
I, personally, think that it's a good idea to have a system where the degree of the evidence counts - For example, if someone is seen having sprint particles while standing still (With evidence showing that they're not simply lagging) then that would be a tempban for X amount of days, while a somewhat uncertain video of a supposed sprint-hacker, with the evidence being kinda unsure, would be a tempban for Y days. Do you get what I mean?
Also, for various types of hacks. People can accuse a lagging person of forcefield (or a lagging person can accuse a non-lagging person.) but really they're innocent - Fly hacks, on the other hand, well...how the heck is that caused by lag? For example, minor sprint hacks (such as BSM, especially in the upcoming 1.7.2 update) are not that severe - While they are a game-ruining experience, they can still be defeated, while flyhacks or forcefield is like an instant win.

Ik this is a bit rant-ish, but... moo. :s

 

[reven86]

Well, you also have to keep in mind the people that are banned for "hacks" but don't really hack
Yes, we know the MCSG staff tries their best to separate real hackers from innocent players - But there are and always will be mistakes.
Lag, biases, and a huge number of other things can result in unfair bans - Likewise, biases and lag can also result in a hacker not being banned.

Also, what kind of hacks? Sprint hacks aren't as severe as forcefield, which isn't as severe as.. well, Ok maybe it's around equal to something like fly/waterwalking hacks.
I, personally, think that it's a good idea to have a system where the degree of the evidence counts - For example, if someone is seen having sprint particles while standing still (With evidence showing that they're not simply lagging) then that would be a tempban for X amount of days, while a somewhat uncertain video of a supposed sprint-hacker, with the evidence being kinda unsure, would be a tempban for Y days. Do you get what I mean?
Also, for various types of hacks. People can accuse a lagging person of forcefield (or a lagging person can accuse a non-lagging person.) but really they're innocent - Fly hacks, on the other hand, well...how the heck is that caused by lag? For example, minor sprint hacks (such as BSM, especially in the upcoming 1.7.2 update) are not that severe - While they are a game-ruining experience, they can still be defeated, while flyhacks or forcefield is like an instant win.

Ik this is a bit rant-ish, but... moo. :s

Lol wait til you face a sprint hacker who gets like.. 10x speed boosts.. its crazy. I feel like it doesn't matter what type of hack it is, if it gives an unfair advantage, you should be treated all the same.

 

[Mooclan]

Lol wait til you face a sprint hacker who gets like.. 10x speed boosts.. its crazy. I feel like it doesn't matter what type of hack it is, if it gives an unfair advantage, you should be treated all the same.

Well, yes I've encountered speed hackers - Emphasis on speed. But when I say sprint hacks, I mean something such as BSM. Especially in this upcoming update, 1.7.2, BSM isn't regarded as much of a threat anymore - Yes, it does give a slight advantage, but it's a little bit like using Optifine to increase your FPS. (I know they're different, but FPS can sometimes help just as much as a little help with sprinting.)

 

[KingFlight]

], maybe start IP banning all ppl who are perma banned. I know that people can change their IP's, but a lot of the little kids who are hacking, wouldn't know how to do it. Ip banning all perma bans I think would prevent alot of repeat hackers.

I disagree.

My little brother is hwracer, and he hacked on these servers for 1.5 years and hes perma-banned. Why should I have to face a punishment for something I didn't do?

What I'm saying is: Most families have two kids; If one got banned, so does the other. That's pretty unfair

 

[reven86]

I disagree.

My little brother is hwracer, and he hacked on these servers for 1.5 years and hes perma-banned. Why should I have to face a punishment for something I didn't do?

What I'm saying is: Most families have two kids; If one got banned, so does the other. That's pretty unfair

I agree with you there, but you also have to look at it from the other side. People use that "it was my brother/sister" blah blah that was hacking. Its hard to tell the liars from the others.

 

[reven86]

However, there are cases of false accusations of hacking, and I wouldn't want to be suddenly accused of hacking and then permbanned on my favorite server

Well thats why mods need to be 100% sure of hacks. It needs to be clear, undeniable evidence. If there is any doubt or question.. then don't ban the person. That how it should be anyways. But ofc, there will be mis-bans. Its unavoidable no matter what. I feel like if they only ban the ones that are clearly hacking, there won't be many issues. I would muchrather have a few mis-bans and half as many hacks.. than hackers running wild all over the servers.

 

[Captain Dak]

I say give them a month on the first offense. But that's just me, I tend to be harsh.

 

[JamJoenut]

Unfortunately there's NO perfect fix that can be done about hackers, its a never ending cycle that you simply cannot change. You say that the anti-cheat systems should be improved upon but there's honestly no point. The reason for this is that hack clients are constantly evolving, some even harder to detect (aside the most blinding obvious hacks) as they can easily bypass the system and establish new scripts for the exploits that are in the java code.

Whats the point in wasting so much time upgrading a new anti-cheat system when a client developer can develop a fix to counteract this within days. Some developer's work for a living by doing this and I'm certain that they will continue to develop more advanced clients. The only thing we can is to increase the community's awareness on how hackers can be dealt with. I also agree with the offense ruling. Bare in mind the majority of hackers are children that have no conception of how damaging cheating can be, because they are unaware of how cheating can have an effect on players and the community.

That's why they should be given a temporary ban rather than a permanent ban for their first offense. It's meant to act as a deterrence for players not to do it again. This is what I hate about the majority of the MCSG community, we have complaints about hackers yet people can't be arsed to take any action or do their homework on why there is never a perfect fix for hacking, the moderators are already working their arses off for this community to be friendly as possible.

(please be aware that I'm not implying against anyone taking part of this discussion in a derogatory manner)

 

[Pixelatorx2]

I disagree.

My little brother is hwracer, and he hacked on these servers for 1.5 years and hes perma-banned. Why should I have to face a punishment for something I didn't do?

What I'm saying is: Most families have two kids; If one got banned, so does the other. That's pretty unfair

But isnt that another way of reinforcing NOT hacking?

I agree with everything said about permabanning when people hack, they ruin peoples games and KNOW they did it, they should pay the price. But I also agree with the "hacking degrees"

BSM- Minor offence, 1 week ban.
Sprint/speed Hacks - Double minor offence, 2 week ban
Water Walks - Major, 3 week ban
Forcefeild/ Aimbot - Double Major, 4 week ban
Instakill/Regen Hacks - Permaban (these are much harder to find - much harder to install)

 

[darklordx123]

Creating a better anti-cheat plugin would help, if we all had perfect ping. I know that sometimes, I freeze on other people's screens when I lag, and if what you said was to happen, I would get kicked just for lagging. So, I think you're partially right.