Necessary Moderator Application/Staff Changes

[TheInforcerHD]

You miss the point if you believe I don't deem him fit to be a staff member just because he denied my app. That's not why at all. It's because he lacks the empathy and logic to help run a server the way it needs to be run.

Yes I understand all of your points and can somewhat agree to them but again try to take the perspective of the staff and to understand why we're a bit more reluctant to accept previous rule breakers.

 

[LethalCactus]

Yes I understand all of your points and can somewhat agree to them but again try to take the perspective of the staff and to understand why we're a bit more cautious to accept previous rule breakers.

I understand what you're saying. However, you DO miss the biggest point I've been trying to make for about 2 hours

 

[duckluv321]

I respect what youre saying. However the whole reason for me posting this thread is because I feel that the community isn't the staff member's top priority. I do respect the fact that you promote conversation instead of attacking the views of many community members.

First of all, a staff members main priority is the community, and always will be. Taking their time to moderate, or administrate for free, is an act of kindness, and and caring-- something they obviously don't have to do, they do it just because they want to help.

However, if a staff member is not here for the community, it will show through their actions, and as others come to see that, they're at risk of their position.

Finally, I want to cover your "generalizations". You said "I feel that the community isn't the staff members top priority". That's totally fine. I completely respect your opinion, although I'd like to contradict the fairly large generalization you make in saying "the staff members". This would mean you generalize all the staff members to have priorities other than what they should be. While its very likely that this isn't the top priority of some, making the generalization that all of the staff members lack that same priority, is a bit harsh. I promise you there are most certainly staff members out there whom genuinely care about this community. While others may have done things to lead you to believe otherwise, it doesn't mean that all 100+ staff members work the same way.

Once again, I respect your opinion, I'm just trying to clear this up a bit.

 

[theman356]

You miss the point if you believe I don't deem him fit to be a staff member just because he denied my app. That's not why at all. It's because he lacks the empathy and logic to help run a server the way it needs to be run.

I have said this before and I will say it again. If you think that a staff member is doing something wrong there is a place to report it. trying to convince people of it on your thread will not accomplish anything. The thread is about the mod app and its requirements. I think we should try to keep the talk to that.

 

[slasherxtreme]

Well, if his application is 100,000x better than anyone else's, I, as a member of the community, would be more than happy to see him appointed as moderator considering that MCSG is indeed in need of more moderators, even more so since the release of the new servers. His argument, though not entirely accurate with the generalisation and life example comparisons is valid and your most recent response seems to lack understanding.

"Not getting moderator is part of the punishment for breaking rules" - Ermm, his initial post elaborates upon why this should not be so and you are showing the rejection that he mentioned.
Feedback is essential in the development of a skill or practice, the one in subject being; meeting the criteria to become a moderator. Judging by his posts, he's an intelligent individual who is able to form and understand the route he needs to (or perhaps has) in order to better and redeem himself to become moderator material and likely isn't the only one. This post will be short as I'm in no fit state to be thinking about a matter like this

Quality over quantity. Even though we are in need of moderators, we will not lower our standards as we would rather have a few moderator who can work outstandingly rather than a lot of moderators who can work good enough. In addition to that, we need moderators who we can trust to do what they're suppose to. Even if he was smart and had a good application, his previous ban will be an issue when it comes to trust. Although you would disregard the ban, it doesn't mean others will do the same. We can't please everyone, but we can please the majority. Take for example, would you trust someone who has killed someone to stop people from killing others?

Would a staff member reading a app consider the person if they explained there ban in detail and seemed very mature about it? Or would it be a instant no because of there ban history?

As of now, rules are rules and it will be rejected.

Slasher, in my opinion, people who have broken the rules before could do better than what you're doing right now.

If you truly feel that way, I encourage you to contact an admin or higher as soon as possible. I am apart of this community as well and I want the best for it. If I am not living up to my role and doing as I should, I shouldn't be at the position that I'm at.

 

[LethalCactus]

First of all, a staff members main priority is the community, and always will be. Taking their time to moderate, or administrate for free, is an act of kindness, and and caring-- something they obviously don't have to do, they do it just because they want to help.

However, if a staff member is not here for the community, it will show through their actions, and as others come to see that, they're at risk of their position.

Finally, I want to cover your "generalizations". You said "I feel that the community isn't the staff members top priority". That's totally fine. I completely respect your opinion, although I'd like to contradict the fairly large generalization you make in saying "the staff members". This would mean you generalize all the staff members to have priorities other than what they should be. While its very likely that this isn't the top priority of some, making the generalization that all of the staff members lack that same priority, is a bit harsh. I promise you there are most certainly staff members out there whom genuinely care about this community. While others may have done things to lead you to believe otherwise, it doesn't mean that all 100+ staff members work the same way.

Come again, I respect your opinion, I'm just trying to clear this up a bit.

Absolutely, thank you for sharing your opinion, as that's what I was hoping would happen on this thread. Just friendly arguments. And thank you, because I most certainly did not mean to categorize 1oo% of the staff population.

 

[LethalCactus]

Jesus, the point of this thread was to say that I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STAFF IS DOING A GOOD JOB, if you needed that simplified. By "you" i mean the people that don't understand that, because most of you DO NOT. It is not 3:06 in northwest MN, so I deem you good morning, and thank you for the participators in this thread! Thank you so very much for your time! I would love if my good buddy slasherxtreme would lock up this thread and throw away the key, but expect more from yours truly! -Hollywood04

 

[zorrodc]

Yeh all deez haxor staffs are bullyz.
But I kinda agree with your point about being banned, however, I can assure you that the staff are NOT self centered jerks. I know I'm not. Maybe you had a negative past experience that makes you think this way. And I hate to say it, but there are only so many of us, and we deal with TONS of bans an kicks every day. There's not time for a trial or whatnot. Judge, jury, ban hammer is the best way. If you feel you we're banned unfairly, just make a ban appeal.
-Zor