Hell Games Rant

[Ethan1126]

Honestly we should still consider HG in "Beta" As its only been around for maybe 1/2 year. There are pros and cons but in the End we need to remember this is a game.

 

[jreitere]

The victor isn't always the best, just as in the Hunger Games the victor isn't always the career. The whole point of the Hell Games is to represent the Hunger Games. In the Hunger Games the gamemakers get to do whatever they want, they can kill whoever they want for entertainment. It isnt fair and thats the whole point, its never fair and it never will be fair. Grow up and change your attitude before President Snow decides to kill you for your disapproval of the games .

 

[Tacoface1234]

i killed you and your teammate, but i used a bow. and the GMs never gave me anything.

Yes, but it was Hotdog who heavily weakened us, you were able to kill us with a bow after we had no health from fighting him. That's what I was referencing.

 

[SixZoSeven]

While I have no personal experience with any 'unfair deaths' (derped into the lava last Hell Games I was in ), I have seen them, and heard about them enough to teach an advanced college course on the subject.

While I personally feel the game could be just fine without game makers (and a lot less controversial ), I do also understand they are an 'iconic' part of the Hell Games-- one if the limited things it has separating itself from a typical MCSG match.

(*Bold = Key point to my discussion)
One side of the argument says that game makers make the game unfair to others, and result in unnecessary casualties of players, which is true, and it must be admitted. The game makers don't know how much health someone has, and could release a zombie upon a player with two hearts to begin with. They also don't know that a zombie's path will chase someone off a long fall, or into a corner. They simply can't always predict that, which is both an argument as to why unfair killing isn't necessarily their fault, but more of what I think to be a reasonable argument in saying game makers are purely unpredictable. They could unless 8 zombies on someone, only to have them killed instantly, or for the zombies to be easily killed.
Same goes for TNT. They don't know if a player will react quick enough to run away, or be damaged, or even killed by the TNT, which brings up another point.
The game makers could unleash zombies unto one player, and have that player easily kill the zombies, but unleash the same amount of zombies onto someone else, and watch the player be killed. It's a different story for everyone-- which is why the argument "We spawned zombies and TNT on everyone" isn't always valid. You may have plagued the others with the same mobs, and annoyances, but it didn't effect them the same way it effected others. This makes it so that there is literally a very slim chance anything the game makers ever do will be fair, because every experience with something is different.
For example-- Sixzo and Ant were bugged with plenty of zombies, but, they easily took them on. Wolfy and SC had a much harder time doing so, which becomes apparent when they die. While Sixzo and Ant may have had more, they had a much easier experience taking them out, then Wolfy and SC, who were presented with similar obstacles.

Another point brought up was the reaping system. I will most definitely agree that numerous people have made it into many Hell Games, whilst others, such as my friend Branbob applied every time, and was lucky enough to be accepted once out of his 6 or 7 attempts.
There are many ways we could fix this, ranging from random selection, to some sort of rule stating that you may not be in another Hell Games until at least two after the last one you participated in. There are lots of ways to fix this, and while I do agree this should be fixed, I don't exactly have any ideas of my own as to how.

Lastly, I want to talk about a lot of 'reasoning' I'm seeing on this thread, which is "If you don't like it, don't play it".

This makes plenty of sense, however it shouldn't be used as an excuse (not saying it has been). If you do not like something, the easy way out is to stop doing whatever it is you don't like. But, in this case, it's different then disliking a color, for example. If you dislike the color green, you don't have much of that color-- simple. But, this is a game. This can be changed, whereas you cannot change the color green.
The 'administration' of the Hell Games should always be looking to improve, and as much as hearing complaints about something you've created can be difficult, complaints are often the best type of advice you will ever get.
Instead if simply writing it off as "whining", "ranting", or even "being a sore loser", (again, not saying anyone has) listen to what they have to say. People have suggested doing something about the game makers for a while now, and as far as I am aware, nothing has really been done.
You don't have to do exactly what people suggest, of course, but you should always at least consider making some kind of changes where it is suggested.

Pretend you are the CEO of a bubble company. Lately, people have been complaint that your bubbles pop too easily. Instead of saying "if you don't like it, don't do it", you should change your bubble recipe to make them more resistant, if at all possible, correct? You don't want people to stop using your product because they don't like it, and nothing is being done to change that.
Same thing here. You don't want people to stop supporting, or applying for the event because they don't like it, you want to try and fix what you can, where you can.
You can't of course please everybody, but you can at least try (once again, not saying that they haven't tried, because I don't know if they have or not).

Think for a second here:
Why do you think Ant and I had an easier time dealing with what the gamemakers plagued us with despite the fact we had to deal with more than others.

 

[Ninga]

Well I got accepted into the hell games 90 minutes before the event.
That REALY pissed me off, I've applied for every single hell games and they finally accept me but way too short notice. It was badly organised if they had to make changes that early to the event.

But now I do agree, the hell games isn't even a gamemode, it's just the game masters going "we have all this power, let's abuse it to make randoms win"

 

[SixZoSeven]

Well I got accepted into the hell games 90 minutes before the event.
That REALY pissed me off, I've applied for every single hell games and they finally accept me but way too short notice. It was badly organised if they had to make changes that early to the event.

But now I do agree, the hell games isn't even a gamemode, it's just the game masters going "we have all this power, let's abuse it to make randoms win"

For the most part, this is due to the fact that other accepted tributes end up not showing up. As a result of this, the organizers need to find replacement tributes.

 

[Ninga]

For the most part, this is due to the fact that other accepted tributes end up not showing up. As a result of this, the organizers need to find replacement tributes.

By what? Just putting me up on the thread, not a pm. Not getting someone to notify my via skype. I got notified at 3am, I was going to stay up and play if I was actually in it, since I wasn't I went to bed one hour before I got notified.
But now after this argument if I try apply again they will say;
"oh you have already been in a hell games therefore you cannot be in this one"

 

[Boboaluitz]

It was badly organised if they had to make changes that early to the event.

We're so much more organized than we used to be. Actually, the bad timing was done because someone told us they couldn't make it 90 minutes before the event (please look ahead at your schedules when and if you get accepted, everyone, and make sure your schedule stays that way).

We can't add every tribute and every backup on Skype each and every Hell Games, that'd be a lot of unnecessary work. It's the same notification rate whether you get it through PM or through an Alert. If you PM Capt or Ginger or Blaze about it, there won't be any side affects to missing your time. Actually, missing your spot in the Hell Games due to time zone issues (if you were already accepted and supposed to be in the games), may be guarantee a spot in the next Hell Games, depending on the situation.

 

[Ninga]

We can't add every tribute and every backup on Skype

You had me, could've always notified me that I was in the event..

getting someone to notify my via skype.

I was implying that someone in hell games staff might have them or a friend of the hell games staff had them. Not adding every tribute.

 

[Gustav Mahikano]

Everyone seems to be complaining about the fact that only known pvpers, forumers and generally famous youtubers seem to be accepted into the Hell Games whereas the not so well-known players seem to never make it in. To be completely fair, the Hell Games is a pretty big MCSG Event; it's gotten to the point where Chad livestreams it and we all know how many views it happens to get. People simply find it more interesting and enjoyable to watch people like Blamph, zenoCrafter and such play; it makes it a lot more interesting and everyone is rooting for someone else. I, personally, wouldn't enjoy watching a bunch of randoms play or even be interested in participating in that Hell Games - I take it as an opportunity to have fun with some of the best players around, whether they be forumers, pvpers or generally youtube famous.

Suppose one of the ideas added regarding the reaping list was implemented - what do you think would actually happen to the event if people that nobody seemed to know were chosen 70% of the time (hypothetically)? Sure, there are people lucky enough to get into the Games and make a name for themselves; that's perfectly fine, but having too many people who aren't well-known just isn't interesting to watch or even play with. The fact that many famous players have been accepted into what is said to be a close representation of the actual Hunger Games has made it the big hit that it is today; even the people complaining about it on this thread are familiar faces that I've seen apply for it.

I'm not going to touch on the GM's power, there's already 7 pages give or take about it.

 

[AwesomnessFace]

Play Hell Games they said,
It isn't rigged they said
Gamemakers- they tick me off so much sometimes. HG4- here's a list of things that happened.
VebbiHD was burned in lava while soggy pickle survived.
I was caught on fire while fighting soggy, which resulted in me coming in 3rd.
Soggy was poisoned a ton, which made him an easy kill to let RaddishDew win. I think the Gamemakers often screw the well-known pvp-ers and let the underdogs win most of the time.
Picking the tributes- it's all entertainment. They want an interesting show. More popular people (example: @Spike11 or @Blamph ) getting targeted at corn is funny because people know them.
And screwing teams... Happened to me a lot.
Hell Games 4- maxlupus was almost straight off killed by Gamemakers, I crie
Hell games 6- I was an alt. Me and @Fnnythe3hd were doing pretty good until an overpowered team came in and killed us...

 

[Ava]

My only problem with the Hell Games is that if in future an Admin were to take part again, then they should be temporarily deranked so they are no longer immune to NCP.
Being immune to NCP gives them a great advantage over the other tributes.

Just a thought..
@Antster360
@Dave
@CaptButterToast
@BlazeMaster
@Ginger
@Forairan

If you didn't notice, the admins that participated (@Antster360 and @Dave) were temporarily deranked to senior moderators, who are affected by NCP just like everyone else, so this complaint has no basis.