Rule Loopholes - Not being taken seriously enough?

[Captain Dak]

Nevertheless, I still do have ONE question: If I see a player provoking another player in the form of something such as "Get rekt", "eZ", "Get good", is that punishable in any way?
After this question is answered, I will be OK with having this thread locked if a staff member decides to.

In my opinion, it's kind of a judgement call for a staff member, and it shouldn't be too hard. It depends a lot on the situation; what's said, how the other person is affected by it, and how they react to it. If it causes any problems whatsoever, it probably shouldn't be allowed. Some things will be pretty minor and won't cause any response or reaction from the player, in which case nothing should be done. But if in my judgement I see someone really being a jerk to someone and going over the line and clearly making the other player upset, regardless of what exactly they say, I will warn them. If they're stupid enough to continue, further punishment is necessary, but I don't think anyone has every continued that kind of talk after a warning.

Again, these are my standards, and I'm not sure whether or not most other staff members follow them. Sometimes in moderating a mod needs to simply do what they think is best, since they can't just go around asking the Sr. Staff what to do for every minor incident. I think this is especially a responsibility of more experienced, seasoned mods, like myself. Newer mods might still be learning and the community just needs to be patient with them and accept any decisions they make, even if they aren't the best. Remember it's not an easy job.

Also: Just say the word if you want the thread locked. Leaving it open for now.

 

[Sarchikani]

In my opinion, it's kind of a judgement call for a staff member, and it shouldn't be too hard. It depends a lot on the situation; what's said, how the other person is affected by it, and how they react to it.

I agree with you that it is a judgement call. But my problem with this is you shouldn't base this on the reaction of the person. If someone says something like "rekt" to me, it doesn't effect me, but it still has been said and should be dealt with. Just because the person receiving the verbal abuse can take it doesn't mean that the language is okay. But like I said, i agree that it is a judgement call that should belong solely to the moderator/admin, if he/she feels that the language should result in a warning or kick, then he/she should act on it. And not base it on the other player, because you can never really tell how the other player is feeling or reacting to what has been said. Sorry if this is confusing to read.

 

[OhFancy]

Totally agree with you Moo, Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[Captain Dak]

I agree with you that it is a judgement call. But my problem with this is you shouldn't base this on the reaction of the person. If someone says something like "rekt" to me, it doesn't effect me, but it still has been said and should be dealt with. Just because the person receiving the verbal abuse can take it doesn't mean that the language is okay. But like I said, i agree that it is a judgement call that should belong solely to the moderator/admin, if he/she feels that the language should result in a warning or kick, then he/she should act on it. And not base it on the other player, because you can never really tell how the other player is feeling or reacting to what has been said. Sorry if this is confusing to read.

Yeah, I didn't mean that their reaction was solely what determines the call. The first thing I mentioned I take into consideration is what was said, and that was really the main thing. Sorry if I made it seem like I think it's only abuse if they're hurt by it. But sometimes their reaction can be something that can help when it's a borderline situation that's hard to decide. It also might reveal whether or not they're actually being serious or just joking around. And while I can't actually see them in real life, I can usually tell if someone feels bad just by what they might say in chat.

 

[Soul]

Wow. This kinda kills some of my own fun and to some others. I can understand that some phrases can be somewhat offensive, but seriously? This is like dimming down the heat people experience within MCSG. PG games will always have people making it not PG and people just let it be. Plus, this would make the game so dull. For Example, it would play out like this: Play a Match -> Kill People -> Say Good Game At The End. This would apply to everything, even clans.

Personally, I love the drama these phrases cause between clans. It makes them strive to become even better and creates intense rivalries. Without it, I wouldn't think there would even be a clan community if it was just, "Good Game Friend!" or no saying at all.

People play videos sometimes to vent out anger or stress within their life. Yes, it seems unreasonable to let it out here, but why not? It's a video game.

Lastly, what's PG about Survival Games? I mean, it was made from a book based around 24 tributes killing each others in various ways (drownings, bows & arrows, wasps, etc). If that's PG, jeez, imagine what rated M would be?

 

[le quack]

This is like EU in one thread lol

 

[Mooclan]

In my opinion, it's kind of a judgement call for a staff member, and it shouldn't be too hard. It depends a lot on the situation; what's said, how the other person is affected by it, and how they react to it. If it causes any problems whatsoever, it probably shouldn't be allowed. Some things will be pretty minor and won't cause any response or reaction from the player, in which case nothing should be done. But if in my judgement I see someone really being a jerk to someone and going over the line and clearly making the other player upset, regardless of what exactly they say, I will warn them. If they're stupid enough to continue, further punishment is necessary, but I don't think anyone has every continued that kind of talk after a warning.

Again, these are my standards, and I'm not sure whether or not most other staff members follow them. Sometimes in moderating a mod needs to simply do what they think is best, since they can't just go around asking the Sr. Staff what to do for every minor incident. I think this is especially a responsibility of more experienced, seasoned mods, like myself. Newer mods might still be learning and the community just needs to be patient with them and accept any decisions they make, even if they aren't the best. Remember it's not an easy job.

Also: Just say the word if you want the thread locked. Leaving it open for now.

Woooooooooooh
This was basically what I was really hoping to hear - Because as far as I know (Or now, knew,) staff members hadn't been punishing for things like this.
I rather expected it to be a judgement call, and I'm one of the biggest parts of your post that makes me happy is that staff are allowed to make their own calls in certain situations.
I would keep writing but I've only been awake for like half an hour ;-;

Totally agree with you Moo, Couldn't have said it any better.

You might want to read roguehh's post on like page 2 or something, he basically gg10 rekt smackt this thread in word form.
xD I say that in the least offensive way possible. Basically, he successfully countered like more than half of the things I said here.

Wow. This kinda kills some of my own fun and to some others. I can understand that some phrases can be somewhat offensive, but seriously? This is like dimming down the heat people experience within MCSG. PG games will always have people making it not PG and people just let it be. Plus, this would make the game so dull. For Example, it would play out like this: Play a Match -> Kill People -> Say Good Game At The End. This would apply to everything, even clans.

Personally, I love the drama these phrases cause between clans. It makes them strive to become even better and creates intense rivalries. Without it, I wouldn't think there would even be a clan community if it was just, "Good Game Friend!" or no saying at all.

People play videos sometimes to vent out anger or stress within their life. Yes, it seems unreasonable to let it out here, but why not? It's a video game.

Lastly, what's PG about Survival Games? I mean, it was made from a book based around 24 tributes killing each others in various ways (drownings, bows & arrows, wasps, etc). If that's PG, jeez, imagine what rated M would be?

I get where you're coming from, but I must bring up this point: While you as an individual might appreciate it, you have to keep in mind that you have experience with some of the most competitive clans and fierce rivalries, and it might have become the norm for you. But to an average player, being told that they got "gg10 rekt" and are an "eZ kid" really isn't fun. I'm not an average player either, but even I mentally flip Sith (Yes, Star Wars reference. No, I'm not avoiding the swear filter. Don't ban me again -.-) when I get double-teamed and am told something along those lines. Especially when the person's usernames are like "xx1337H4x0rxx" or something.

Also, as it stands the rule does sometimes allow for things like this to be punishable, and according to Captain_Dak, it is already punished (in certain cases). I'm just trying to emphasize that I feel it should be enforced a "little bit" *cough* more.
If somebody has a ton of anger that they want to vent, why should we let them do it on a game aimed partially at kids? I've seen nine year olds playing the Survival Games in my local Library. (Or at least, they looked 9. and i always lol, because they have no idea that i know what they're doing.)

There are ways to add variety to the Games without having people dissing each other or calling them out as bad. We have Devs and the Feature Suggestion section for that. People can still be polite, and have fun - That's how MCSG was supposed to be in the first place. Enforcing those rules that I highlighted would be a step back in what I think is the right direction.

 

[ThisJKid]

Woooooooooooh
This was basically what I was really hoping to hear - Because as far as I know (Or now, knew,) staff members hadn't been punishing for things like this.
I rather expected it to be a judgement call, and I'm one of the biggest parts of your post that makes me happy is that staff are allowed to make their own calls in certain situations.
I would keep writing but I've only been awake for like half an hour ;-;

You might want to read roguehh's post on like page 2 or something, he basically gg10 rekt smackt this thread in word form.
xD I say that in the least offensive way possible. Basically, he successfully countered like more than half of the things I said here.


I get where you're coming from, but I must bring up this point: While you as an individual might appreciate it, you have to keep in mind that you have experience with some of the most competitive clans and fierce rivalries, and it might have become the norm for you. But to an average player, being told that they got "gg10 rekt" and are an "eZ kid" really isn't fun. I'm not an average player either, but even I mentally flip Sith (Yes, Star Wars reference. No, I'm not avoiding the swear filter. Don't ban me again -.-) when I get double-teamed and am told something along those lines. Especially when the person's usernames are like "xx1337H4x0rxx" or something.

Also, as it stands the rule does sometimes allow for things like this to be punishable, and according to Captain_Dak, it is already punished (in certain cases). I'm just trying to emphasize that I feel it should be enforced a "little bit" *cough* more.
If somebody has a ton of anger that they want to vent, why should we let them do it on a game aimed partially at kids? I've seen nine year olds playing the Survival Games in my local Library. (Or at least, they looked 9. and i always lol, because they have no idea that i know what they're doing.)

There are ways to add variety to the Games without having people dissing each other or calling them out as bad. We have Devs and the Feature Suggestion section for that. People can still be polite, and have fun - That's how MCSG was supposed to be in the first place. Enforcing those rules that I highlighted would be a step back in what I think is the right direction.

To be honest in the end, everything balances out. Fewer people get frustrated by things like saying "eZ" that people seem to believe, and people respond to it negatively. If someone were to make fun of your ability to play, how would you respond?

I for one would attempt to better myself, to play and to improve. That way when I'm in a similar situation, I will come out as the victor. This negativity which many people appear incapable of handling has as much of a place in the MCSG community as being friendly to one another. There's no way that I'd be able to handle this place if everything was all lollipops and rainbows.

It's not that I want everyone to be fighting and arguing, but rivalries and disputes result in people striving and pushing themselves to win. Simple things such as "GG10" and "eZ" should be overlooked, I've only seen them be used in minor cases and it would take a lot of spamming and being irritating for it to be major harassment.

Anyway, about the DDoSing, I've be fortunate enough to be clear of clans which do that, my assumption is that staff stay clear of certain cases due to the fact that it may be between community members, but like skype disputes, it is out of the staffs jurisdiction.

 

[LovinMcBitz]

Someone took the liberality of doing this, saving people time. Nice work

 

[Dovgan2000]

Great thread! But don't forget one of the Staffs sayings, " Just because people take offence to it doesn't mean it's offencive." Makes sense am I right?

No, It's offensive, end of discussion, Darude - Sandstorm

 

[Fox]

Bowser52000 Krypton mind explaining?

Moderators are still players. Saying "ez" or "rekt", whatever, it doesn't really means anything. Those terms are mere gaming slang. Despite slang is informal, as I said: They are players too. Whether a staff member or not, we all want to have fun —and also say "what is cool these days". I don't think this terms make a staff member any less professional (as it doesn't co-relates on how they do their job).

Now, here's my take on this topic.
The use of gaming slang such as, Ez, Rekt, GG and so on shouldn't be against the rules.
"Why?" —Because its mere slang, and not inappropriate. All depends to each if they seem affected on it or not.
However, I believe that, if these terms make someone feel harassed, the player should stop. In the rules says, if someone asks you to stop, but you don't, its harassment: Therefore, only if these terms are used to harass, there shall be a punishment.

As far as targeting goes, its a controversial topic. I feel that, it depends on the person. Depending on the person being targeted, the more chances there will be a punishment. Don't want to get much into it.

For the use of words as, WTF, I think they should be allowed. In the case of "WTF", it is not directed to anyone; It won't offend anyone. For words as STFU or GTFO, as long as it offends someone, the user can report the player for them.

 

[Kauff]

The next time I see a moderator in game_ I'm going to kill him and say "GG 10 so ez l2p get rekt kid" and see what happens. Apparently, that's allowed and even senior moderators do it.